Forwarded to me by SYITS:
Valentine’s Day: Animal Mutilator Dario Ringach
Mutilator Ringach has his very own Rent-a-Cop
To see more pictures from the protests, click on http://s834.photobucket.com/albums/zz270/new1212/UCLA%20Valentines%20Day%20Protests%20Wrap%20Up%2002-14-10/?albumview=slideshow
Protesters rallied against primate vivisection at UCLA on Valentine’s Day to protest the mutilation, torture and murder of non-human primates at the hands of abusive non-physicians intent on enhancing their own careers with the blood of the innocent. First up was vivisector Dario Ringach’s neighborhood. As you can see from the pictures, Dario has a “rent-a-cop” in front of his home twenty-four seven! This must make his family feel like Dario is a mobster for some drug cartel, (although mobsters don’t commit nearly the gruesome, hideous things to innocent beings as Dario does to primates on a regular basis.) But Ringach is definitely a criminal who perpetrates horrific atrocities on primates, so we assume that his family must be getting used to living with a “rent a cop” outside.
Mutilator Ringach humanely restrained in his own primate chair.
It appears from the latest evidence that Ringach has resumed doing vision experiments on innocent non-human primates,
confining them in metal restraint devices and inserting electrodes into their brains, gluing metal coils on to their
eyeballs and then allowing them to suffer immeasurable pain before killing them.
As the pictures indicate, neighbors came out from many of the near-by houses, took leaflets and talked to activists about how much they hate their neighbor Dario for doing “hellish primate experimentation.” One, in fact, gave an activist the name of the school one of his offspring attends! Activists plan on legally leafleting the school in order to educate fellow students what their classmate’s father does for a living. Two days after this picket took place, Dario Ringach dressed himself up in a coat and tie, (he didn’t wear his scrubs splattered with the blood of primates, obviously) and tried to trick the students at a UCLA forum into thinking he was a respectable person; ACTIVISTS KNOW BETTER.
You can dress ‘em up, but you can’t take away the fact that when they’re at work they are engaged in atrocities against primates beyond anyone’s comprehension, and hopefully someday he will get his comeuppance for the evil he does to innocent animals.
Next stop was Edythe London
Primate Torturer Edythe London: "I am really proud of what we are doing."
The lab she oversees restrains rhesus monkeys in draconian head-restraint devices in order to inject drugs
like crystal methamphetamines and nicotine into their veins to force them to become addicted.
Then these poor primates are tied down and blood is taken from them.
PET scans and other, invasive tests are also done to the primates. Edythe is also studying “hemiparkinsonianism” in monkeys. This is not even a real human condition, but rather something artificially induced in primates with no relevance to Parkinson’s disease in humans. Edythe London is pure scum.
Third on the list of primate torturers was David Jentsch
Freakish Face of Vivisection - Animal Mutilator: J. David Jentsch
David Jentsch is a sick, perverted, primate vivisector who addicts primates to Crystal Meth
and other terrible drugs like PCP.
His official title is “Associate Professor for Neuropsychopharmacology Using Animal Models of Neuropsychiatric Disorders.” He has done hundreds of primate experiments, publishing papers in obscure journals for his own ego and profit. Nothing that will help humans has ever come from any of these torturous experiments on non-human primates, and never will.
Some recent titles of papers he’s published say it all: “Neurochemical Determinants of Methamphetamine-Induced Cognitive Deficits in Monkeys,” “Dimensions of Impulsivity Are Associated with Poor Spatial Working Memory Performance in Monkeys” and “Frontal Cortical Dopaminergic Dysfunction Correlates with Impaired Cognitive Performance in Monkeys After Long-Term Phencyclidine Administration.“ He too has a “rent-a-cop” in front of his house twenty-four hours a day, ever since his car was blown up last year. Most everyone agrees that it would have been great if he had been in it!
But what goes around comes around and we’re hopeful that in time his hideous “Karma” will catch up to him and he’ll be forced to receive the final payment he deserves.
Activists must “shine a spotlight” on those who do these kinds of hideous things to primates, and expose them for the freaks they truly are.
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go guys! these people are evil ,they are nothing but sadistic cowards ,thank you for taking a stand against them .
keep it up!
in solidarity from Aotearoa!
You people are inconsistent. Animal research has helped millions of human beings live better lives. Your moral compass is so out of whack it leads you to believe that animal research is out of line, and yet, blowing up researchers is justice.
“He too has a “rent-a-cop” in front of his house twenty-four hours a day, ever since his car was blown up last year. Most everyone agrees that it would have been great if he had been in it!”
I don’t know anyone who would agree with that besides some seriously sick-minded individuals. If you have issues with animal testing, this is entirely the wrong way to go about it. Pass legislation, talk to your congresspeople. Blowing up researchers makes you terrorists, and nobody is going to value your cause when it has this kind of sick-minded logic behind it.
I have to agree with Rob here. You won’t garner much support for your vaunted cause by behaving like bullying thugs or terrorists.
no rob,
you are inconsistent!
would you mutilate your dog or cat?
should we have panel discussions with pedophiles?
should we compromise with rapists so that we can come to some happy medium?
if there was no money involved, these sadistic freaks would be plying their trade on neighborhood children in backyard bunkers.
if daddy makes a living bathing in blood, you have to expect some of it to drip off onto junior.
camille
Camille, so I think you advocate that you or anybody who feels offended should go and blown pedophiles cars,shoot rapists on the street, and more, harass their children at school! This is just disgusting and make me very afraid of you people.
And notice that pedophiles and rapists are committing crimes. And the scientists are not. If you think that what they do should be considered crime, this is certainly not the way to propagate your agenda.
And please, do not involve innocent children on this, it is criminal and morally wrong.
You are completely, utterly insane.
Camille, I take it you support the killing of abortionists as well? It would at least be consistent with your position.
What mental ward did you escape from camille? You almost seem to be foaming at the mouth while comparing animal research to rape and pedophilia.
Next time you go in for surgery or any kind of medical treatment, decline. Chances are the procedure involved animal testing at some point.
Just stick to herbs and positive energy when you come down with something serious. Should make the world a better, safer place.
I’m sad to say that you are indeed inconsistent Camille. Perhaps you did not read what you wrote and simply posted it. You are equating scientific research with mutilating animals for some kind of enjoyment. It’s not the same thing. You and everyone else in this country, and pretty much the world, have longer life expectancies, a smaller infant mortality rate, and better health care, due in no small part to using animal testing in medical and pharmacological research, often conducted by PhDs as well as MDs.
What you’ve advocated, from your post above, is that a man who conducts research should have been killed in an explosion, and that because his children merely exist, they too could be subject to the same treatment.
I applaud it when this blog posts about writing city councils and petitioning the state to act on the behalf of animal rights. I may not agree with it, but that’s a righteous act that seeks to harm no one and help someone animal rights activists believe need it. But no matter how many disclaimers are posted on this site and others like it, your comment shows the true nature of your belief.
Your morals are compromised by posting such things, not anyone else’s.
after reading this i feel only sovereign contempt for you
Rob,
I “advocate” nothing. I publish information.
Had I written this post, I would enthusiastically take credit. But, alas, all I did was provide the graphics.
You said:
“I applaud it when this blog posts about writing city councils and petitioning the state to act on the behalf of animal rights.”
And I understand this. We are a society of laws that exists to protect the interests of the state and the corporate-industrial complex. Laws to not protect individuals… ESPECIALLY if those individuals are non-human. And, therefore, working within the legal framework constructed by the exploitation lobbys ensures that nonhumans will continue to be systematically dispatched with ruthless precision in exquisite torment and misery.
And by the way, I don’t hide behind disclaimers. My true beliefs are published in bold blue typeface at the end of every single entry I publish:
If the nonhumans could fight back, their tormentors would have expired long ago. We have an obligation to expose the abusers. It is the LEAST we can do!
Please note, the only thing I encourage is EXPOSURE… but I certainly do understand that people are growing impatient.
“but I certainly do understand that people are growing impatient.”
“I don’t advocate violence and harrassment, but if someone did just those things I’d certainly understand.”
Humans are humans, and animals are animals. I have no problem with the protections for animals being no where near as stringent as those of human beings, and I will ALWAYS place the welfare of human beings above those of animals.
If that means animal testing of medications, then so be it. Why?
Because any human life is intrinsically superior to, and more valuable then, animal life.
“Because any human life is intrinsically superior to, and more valuable then, animal life.”
Why is that? The world would be much better off without humans. They are driving the plant into the ground? Humans are killing the planet. The extinction rate is presently 27,000 species per year.
A world without bees would be a world without humans. A world without ants would be a world without humans. Humans are a cancer to the earth.
“If the nonhumans could fight back, their tormentors would have expired long ago.”
So, do you foresee an end-times revolt of birds, mice, and chipmunks against housecats?
You so called “activists” think you are so much better than these Scientists, but what your ignorance doesn’t allow you to see is that these people are not just torturing animals. Do you truly think they get some sick kick from vivisecting a monkey? Do you really think they get their jollies off torturing defenseless creatures?
NO. More than likely they don’t. I still havent seen a statement from any Scientist on this page that boils down to “I do animal testing because I think it’s fun”
There is a purpose for all of this nonsense. They are developing new medicines and technologies that will save countless lives because of this. Would you rather test a new drug on a grown individual over the age of 18, or a monkey. Now you would say neither, but unfortunately this is a necessary evil.
I don’t agree that it’s the most right thing in the world either, but if you have a better option then I would love to hear it.
Also, you don “advocate” anything. I read your whole article. And you only advocated “legal” (although I do believe ‘defamation of character’ is a prosecutable offence) means of getting your ideals pushed into practice. But when you run a blog called “Negotiation is Over” and you have a quote at the bottom of your page which reads:
“Extremism in the cause of compassion is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit …of justice is no virtue. -Seneca”
I don’t see how you think you aren’t advocating anything. You’re advocating extremist ways to try and get these people to stop what they’re doing. Not “advocating” anything? Please, you have links at the top which link to ‘Radical Abolitionism’ (”Thus, we need education and agitation, mainstream and militant tactics, peaceful resistance and confrontation and sabotage, and aboveground/legal and underground/illegal means of weakening speciesist capitalism.”) and ‘Revolutionary Environmentalism’ (” “A flank of militant groups and positions can drive a battering ram into the structures of power and domination and open a door to a new future.”)
Not avocating anything my ass. Let me guess, those are the AUTHOR’S views not yours? Then why post them? You agree with what they’re saying from what I can tell, so it wouldnt be a far stretch to say that you are advocating their words also.
Yet you sit on your throne thinking yourself high and mighty and defending a “just cause”, well the scientists have a “just cause” as well. And a better one if you ask me. I would gladly trade a few monkeys if it would mean saving hundreds if not thousands of lives in the long run.
You are no better than they are. You are the one who should be shut down. You and your “Animal rights groups” are no better than domestic terrorists. You’re a group of schoolyard bullies who think they can get whatever they want by forcing people to do it.
Keep doing this and the scientists aren’t going to be so complacent. If one of your cronies showed up at my house trying to scare my kids thinking that would make me stop, well you would be lucky if you made it to the property line without getting a face full of buckshot or a chest full of lead. Or both. Luckily in my state the policy on trespassing is “shoot first, ask questions later”
I don’t blame him for hiring a rent a cop with the way you types operate.
I just want to point out the the quote at the bottom of this website, “Extremism in the cause of compassion is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit …of justice is no virtue” justifies Dario’s actions. He is acting in an extreme way because he is trying to help other people. Now, I don’t agree with this. I don’t know the details of his research, but if you are accurately describing it then I would definitely condemn it. But acting immorally for the sake of the animals is in the same vein as Dario’s actions. If you want to stop his research then protest against his research, don’t harass him and his family.
We need to be true vegan. We need to refuse medical treatment that is derived from this torture.
I know you’re a troll but if you can convince all violent and rabid AR activists to follow suit with your recommendation, I’ll buy you a beer.
Good idea!!! You and other crazy AR activists should do exactly this! Refuse all medical treatment!
Good luck with that, FFA. Most of medical technology — from drugs to design — is derived, in whole or in part, from animal testing.
And the sad thing — for you — is that you’ve already been treated. At minimum, the antibiotics that have kept you alive since you were a newborn were tested on animals.
Sucks to be you.
To change the societal views, you have to convince society that your position has merit. Bald assertion does not achieve this. Threats do not achieve this. Neither strawmen nor insults achieve this.
And going after people’s children fucks your argument in the ass. Sorry, but for that sort of behavior, negotiation *is* over – and since you remain more or less powerless, that implies you’ve lost pretty damned hard.
You disgust me.
You have the right to believe whatever you want about animal research, but harassing someone’s children and attempting to make them a target for bullying by their peers with your scare tactics is downright despicable.
So you think that animals should have all the rights that humans have — but you also think that targetting *elementary-school kids*, who are in no way responsible for their parents’ actions, so that they are terrified and possibly hurt, is *OK* because you are using this to manipulate their parents.
Let’s make this even more explicit:
You think animals are (or should be) equal to humans
and
You think human children are objects to be manipulated for a perceived “greater good.”
This makes you both a complete hypocrite, and a complete scumbag.
“if there was no money involved, these sadistic freaks would be plying their trade on neighborhood children in backyard bunkers.”
Camille, really? If you believe this statement you are a psychotic freak of a human being who needs to be hospitalized. Do you really think that any of these researchers are sadistic in nature and do this for fun? If you do, you need help, but if not, you’re lying and simply engaging in propaganda.
the thing is, and this is the secret, even given how incredibly psychotic you’re all being, violence, terrorism, and all, NO ONE IS GOING TO COME TO YOUR HOUSE AND HARASS YOU BECAUSE WE’RE ACTUALLY CIVIL HUMANS.
Maybe you’re just a little closer to the animals than the rest of us…
None of you know what these sick sadistic bastards really do. If you did you would agree that this research is nothing but bullshit and just a way for them to profit and further their careers. No grant money, NO JOB! Helping people? HA! People who make their living off of killing and abusing animals are scum and have not a compassionate bone in their bodies. They can not be “negotiated” with and they will not debate anti-vivisectionists because they know they are wrong. They know they are living a lie. That makes them sick, twisted murderers.
Would you allow such research to be done to a dog or cat? Then why is it okay for other animals? Addicting monkeys to drugs is essential research? Use that money to help real addicts instead. These bastards repeat the same experiments over and over and say that this research is essential. Your tax dollars at work!
To look into a primates eyes and justify killing them to help humankind IS WRONG. One day primates will be rescued from their enslavement and our children will ask us why did you let that happen??? Primates are smarter than most young children. Did you know pigs are smarter than dogs? What gives YOU the right? Animals are enslaved by the human race and millions die every single day, they suffer immensely. It’s justified because it is legal.
Slavery was a legal practice, did that make it right just because it was legal? NO! Just because something is legal does not make it just. We live in an unjust world and the animals are suffering. We have the obligation to be their voice and their protectors.
“Vengeance for the dead, freedom for the enslaved” – by unknown
“None of you know what these sick sadistic bastards really do.”
Yes, I do. I’ve been in mouse labs. I read primary research, and look at the data nd the photos. I know quite a lot of people who work in animal facilities. I know what is done, and why, one hell of a lot better than you do.
“People who make their living off of killing and abusing animals are scum and have not a compassionate bone in their bodies.”
Spoken like a true fanatic. Of course, you’ve spoken to all these researchers and you know them personally, do you? And all the researchers and friends of researchers who speak up for themselves, they are ALL lying, and you have the ONE TRUTH, right?
“They know they are living a lie.”
No, they know you are lying. There is a subtle but important difference, there.
“Would you allow such research to be done to a dog or cat?”
If there were no other way, then yes. And I really love cats, too.
“These bastards repeat the same experiments over and over and say that this research is essential.”
You’re running 15-20 years behind the times, here. No-one can *afford* to run the same experiments over and over; this is only done when something that is not understood is happening, and there is literally no other way. That pretty much does fit the definition of “essential”, mind you.
“Primates are smarter than most young children.”
This is roughly as true as the assertion that all animal researchers are monstrous psychopaths who only do this for the love of torturing the innocent and helpless — which is to say, it’s completely false.
“What gives YOU the right?”
The fact that, so far, no other species has demonstrated the cognitive complexity that humans have, and with cognitive complexity comes the enhanced ability to suffer and responsibility for each other. Yes, animals do, without a doubt, suffer. And we have a responsibility to minimise that suffering at our hands. We have a right to cause suffering in the first place because there is no other way to ALLEVIATE suffering down the line. I’ll say this again, too: where the bloody he!! do you think veterinary treatments come from? How do you think they are developed? We have a constant balancing act between minimising suffering in the long and short terms, and deciding what is and isn’t justifiable. What positively isn’t justifiable is your assertion that we should stop medical progress in its tracks.
“We live in an unjust world”
At LAST, you say something true.
In a just world, there would be ways to learn about biology which did not involve animals. Sadly, that is not the reality.
i have no problem with you taking up a case against a perceived injustice. In fact, such noble causes have lead to the better in which we live. Martin Luther King Jr., Suzanne B. Anthony, and Mohandas Ghandi all participated in movements designed to stop prejudice, Government in-action, and mistreatment of an under privileged minority.
The difference here however is that none of those three ever advocated violence, harassment, or the scare tactics shared by their opponents.
It is not your place to bother any other parent’s children with disturbing images at their school. Its not your place to knock on his family’s windows while they sleep or scare them on the way home from work. Your tactics are reminiscent of the Westboro Baptist Church. Repugnant and distasteful.
Your militant activism will win you no allies in the very people whom you wish to change or even the people of this country who would help you were you more moderate.
Continue your work, by all means. If there is an alternative to animal testing, share it with the world. Educate people with words, like a sapient being, or remain feral like the sapiens you seek to protect.
Camille,
Is this you?
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Camille_Marino
If so, have you ever considered the fact that you are maybe over-associating your own issues with those of research animals, and then taking out any hatred you feel towards your abusers on those doing animal research?? Why no website on child abusers, or is that not as “criminal” as getting some monkey’s stoned or giving them (gasp!) a PET scan?
Sure, nobody likes seeing “non-human primates” (or any other animal) suffer, but why just “non-human primates”? Kinda dismissive of the suffering that many other kinds of animals are experiencing, isn’t it??
Why aren’t you going ape-shit over the grocery store owners that sell mouse traps or rat poison? Or the companies that make them? The people who kill all those animals so that we can feed our cats and dogs?? That guy down the street from you who likes to go fishing? The kids walking down the sidewalks, unknowingly crushing and mortally wounding countless insects and other invertebrates?
Maybe because you don’t actually give a damn about animal suffering when it’s a fish or a frog or an insect, and because this is maybe more about you’re own personal emotional well-being, and not animal suffering??
Oh, and did you really starve your cat to death because you refuse to feed a carnivore meat?? Seriously? SERIOUSLY?! Now tell us again who’s allowing all that pain, suffering and death?
Before I go – in case any of your friends or neighbors or other fellow human beings see any of this, and decide to kidnap (rescue?) your pets, get all your friends to call you “kitty-torturer” behind your back, hold a mass intervention to get you some therapy (whether you need it or not), feel compelled to destroy any of your personal property, threaten to secretly poison your groceries and water supply with narcotics, trick you into eating veal, or go digging too deeply into your past… I need to of course be clear on one important point:
The above is not intended to encourage the violation of any laws. Specifically, it is not intended to cause another person to imminently use the information to commit a crime involving violence or a threat of violence against any persons mentioned above, or their immediate family members, or their pets, or any other living organisms… including plants.
Paul,
1. Please do level the playing field here and give us all your first and last name so we can see what kind of trouble you’ve been into.
2. You express you lack of understanding as to why Camille, and/or others don’t go after fisherman, rat traps, etc. The reason for this is law.
Let me give you an example: Bears are being poached outside of NY. Groundhogs are being shot and killed just miles away. There is a large amount of people that rally against the bear killers in comparison to the groundhogs. And now the response to your question. The reason is because the bear will get more exposure within the public and press, and with that exposure the chances of getting a law in place that stops poaching of ALL animals is much more realistic. When that law goes into place then by proxy the Groundhog is also protected.
Hope that helps.
-Burke Bryant
hey burke,
did you get the update i sent out to everyone a couple of hours ago.
how do you think paul will like it when we start encouraging everyone everywhere to go after the pro-test parasites just for fun.
haha — that should save paul some time worrying why, why, why…
in solidarity, camille
OH NO!!! you found encyclopedia dramatica!!! was that your high card or something?
here’s the thing — unlike animal mutilators, i find the exposure entertaining. some pretty funny stuff on that page, huh?
now try to find the other 25 websites and forums dedicated to hating me. i know you’ll enjoy them.
why don’t i diversify and go annoy other exploiters? is that your question?
NOPE! I’M HERE FOR YOU AND THE VIOLENT DEGENERATES AT UCLA. I’M NOT GOING ANYWHERE UNTIL THEIR OBSCENITY ENDS.
In fact, now that I think about it, rather than doing a local demo this weekend, I’m going to go through the Culver City phone book and start a snail mail campaign in Dario’s neighborhood.
Hey, thanks for the inspiration paul!
Excellent idea!
What, so you are going to try to terrorise people again? Encourage the suffering of the family’s children?
You really do need help.
Luna,
by definition you to are a terrorist
ter·ror·ize
–verb (used with object),-ized, -iz·ing.
2.to dominate or coerce by intimidation.
That pretty much sums up how you act on this board. Welcome to the club.
Aside from that did you also know that there is not 1 animal activist that has ever been prosecuted under the Terrorist Act?
You should also look up why.. you’ll be surprised
So, you equate responding to comments on a blog with vandalising houses and cars and trying to get kids bullied at school.
You are either profoundly dishonest (which I suspect) or just an idiot (not ruled out).
Anyway, “not 1 animal activist…has ever been prosecuted under the Terrorist Act” –
That would be because animal rights activists are covered by their own law, the “Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act”, under which, yes, AR activists have been prosecuted and convicted (see, for example, http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/unleashed/2009/10/activists-huntingdon-animal-cruelty.html ).
Gee, this is fun.
Back to “…not 1 animal activist that has ever been prosecuted under the Terrorist Act?”
Actually, you got me curious, Burke. I suspect you were thinking *something* when you asked this; what was it? I doubt it was that AR activists are prosecuted under another part of the law, so what exactly were you going to claim happened?
“i find the exposure entertaining.”
Wow – great emotional defense there. Pretend it doesn’t hurt by laughing it off. What are you like 12 or something?
Listen, Camille: it really seems like you might have some deeply rooted personal issues that need addressing. If so, please consider seeing a good therapist or other mental health professional. If you won’t do it for you, do it for the animals. I mean, really – you’re own personal issues appear to make you a horribly ineffective advocate for animal rights (and, unfortunately for the rest of us, they’ve made you into a tormentor of families and children. Do you really wanna be someone that tortures children?).
Take the plunge, get help, and THEN come back and help the rest of us fix the problems of animal suffering and cruelty. Your wannabe militant terrorist tactics don’t work, make you look COMPLETELY nuts, and worst of all – they provide a lot of ammo against your message of helping animals.
“some pretty funny stuff on that page, huh?”
Um.. No. I think there’s some pretty terrible stuff on that page, actually, I and didn’t enjoy reading.
1. Your history of abuse – very sad stuff.
2. The hate it brought into your life – also sad.
3. Your in ability to step back and think about causes and consequences.
4. Despite your good intentions, did you really kill your cat? Again, PLEASE go chat with a therapist.
Oh, and if I can drop the serious talk and join you in being a bit sarcastic, if you need more inspiration here it is. After you get done mailing everyone in Culver City, stake out anyone who eats hamburgers, pepperoni pizza, pasta with cheese, or who owns a dog or a cat… rumor has it they all support the slaughter of thousands of cute little non-human farm animals! Pest control? How about MASS MURDERERS! Doctors: do you know how many millions of bacterial lives would saved if we could get just stop doctors from dishing out antibiotics? OMG, and gardeners? All the poor innocent “weeds” they kill? It’s horrendous!
Go get’em tiger!
paul (as in mutilator browne?) –
you’re correct. i’m so disturbed that the last asylum i checked into sent me home with a plaque to hang on my wall. it says “certifiable.”
and as i sit here in my tinfoil hat, i’m picking up a signal… oh no, the white noise… the voices in my head… please, paul, make it stop…
so we’re clear now? i’m insane — we all agree.
and that must suck for you!!!!! haha
now, let me give you some friendly advice — you are about the 437th person to try to find some dirt on me… you’re going to have to try just a little harder…. and, maybe, you could do a little research… isn’t that a novel idea?!
here you go… i’ll help you out this time: http://negotiationisover.com/2009/10/13/encyclopedia-dramatica-the-blog-i-dont-want-to-write/
finally, thank you for your suggestions about other speciesists I might amuse myself with.
But, nah….
If it’s okay with you, I’ll just hang around until Pro-Test fades into a distant bloody memory.
Sorry if I got your hopes up and made you feel important or something, I’m not Paul Browne.
I’ll even go a step further and let you know that I’m pretty sure I’m not on anyone’s list of researchers to terrorize, as I myself don’t do animal research. Although, now that I think about it, when I used to have a pet snake (inherited from a deceased family member) I certainly did kill (humanely as possible) way more mice than do most people who do use mice for their research. Sadly, I just couldn’t get the snake to go vegan…
That all pales in comparison to the numbers of rodents that house cats maim and kill – and they all were killed FAR more humanely than those killed by cats. Hey – maybe you’d save more lives and end more suffering if you just put your efforts in to helping spay and neuter cats?? Nah, I forgot that this isn’t about the animals – it’s all about you and your misplaced hatred. Nevermind.
Thanks for the link clarifying the encyclopedia dramatica page. Glad to see you aren’t THAT crazy. I would hardly call my finding that link an effort to “find some dirt” on you. Ha! I simply typed your name into google, and it popped up. Unlike some people, I have far more important things to do with my time than stalk people.
One final point of clarification: that list of people I mentioned aren’t all “speciesists” — you seem to like using the word, but I don’t think you really know what that means, do you??
The kids accidentally stepping on invertebrates, for example, are unintentionally causing all that suffering and death. Their actions have nothing to do with their moral views of other species.
You, on the other hand, are very clearly a “speciesist” — you (to quote the wikipedia page) are clearly guilty of the “assigning of different values or rights to beings on the basis of their species membership.”
Pause and reread that if you missed it… you are a speciesist, by definition.
If you need some evidence of this, look no further than this blog. I’ve yet to see you or anyone else here get this red in the face or go and threaten individuals and their families over the use of worms or fish as bait, over the sale of fly swatters or mouse traps, etc. I guess those species don’t matter as much to you as the furry ones you can more easily empathize with?? Do you see how the term “Non-human primates” is speciesist now?
If you’re wondering why I’m bringing it up, let me explain. I’m not mentioning it because doing so would somehow change my opinion of you or your actions.
I’m just pointing out how awful a job you’ve done at rationalizing your hatred and hateful actions, despite convincing yourself otherwise.
Paul,
Just out of curiosity why do you compare the actions of nature to those of man, then use it as a defense regarding animal experimentation? If you could use examples from animal experimentation to defend animal experimentation that would be great. Perhaps I wont get confused next time.
Secondly, you state “I have far more important things to do with my time than stalk people.” yet your actions have defined the very definition of the word.
[STALK] -verb; “to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:”
And lastly could you please summarize the point you were trying to make in the above, I’m having a hard time seeing it.
-Burke Bryant
You guys are sicker than the scientists you abuse.
Youmorons,
That’s an extremely vague statement. Perhaps you can follow it up with more explanation and a few examples.
Thanks.
-Burke Bryant
Camille; you need help. Obviously something really bad has happened to you… I’m so sorry that you feel the need for so much hate.
steeljaw,
According to Jung and Freud, the mere fact that you would say such a thing shows that you are doing nothing more than trying to project to another, the same demons in which you fail to identify within yourself.
It might be a safe bet to assume that you have much greater things to worry about other than Camille.
-Burke Bryant
Pot, meet kettle. Over here. He’s black.
Seriously, you people have no self-awareness or ability to reflect on yourselves at all, do you. o_0
Wow..just wow.
Sick sick puppies, the lot of you.
Really though, if your really into primates and really against human culture and society, why wouldn’t you go study these animals in their natural habitat? This way you can see how these animals live and treat each other in the wild, and maybe learn something about the way we work.
Or can’t you live without your vegan mocha lattes?
Sick sick lady, please leave people whom are trying to make a difference alone. Be they scientists whom have to use animals in their research, or sane activists using viable, non terroristic ways to get their message across.
These scientists are trying to better the world they live in for both their children and yours, regardless if you agree with the methods or not. Peaceful activists are trying to better the world as well, albeit in a completely different way.
What you and your blog seem to advocate is death and fear. Trying to sway opinion to you limited world view by using threats and inciting terror in innocent children! We have no room in the world for people like you.
You are standing in the path to a better future, please step aside before you get run over.
Disko!,
My apologies for being so naive, but what would one come to find out while studying primates that would in turn provide direct correlation to vivisection?
Your clarification is greatly appreciated.
-Burke Bryant
People are finally starting to stand up to fascists like Camille and fascist organizations like NIO. Too bad right?
skwiself,
People… who are these people you speak of other than yourself, and why do you find it necessary to speak for them opposed to directly communicating your own thoughts, beliefs and views.. are you afraid you’re alone in your opinions?
-Burke Bryant
So let me get this straight, because I wouldn’t want to be doing you an injustice here.
You think hurting animals is wrong, but hurting other people’s children is perfectly okay.
Yuck. That’s sick.
Cat Faber,
The miracle of life should be given fair chance to anything that was lucky enough to be a part of it. What makes man so much better than that in which he tortures?
You are also incorrectly comparing the hurt of animals to that of a child. An animal is hurt through torture, brutality, dissection, pain, stress, electroshock, and early termination.. Last time I checked none of these forms of “hurt” as you put it, were being applied to any child. If that was the case I assure you the arrest and incarceration of that person(s)would have been swift and direct by the local authorities, was that the case?
-Burke Bryant
Burke,
according to you, so, it only be morally wrong to torture a child. Harass, scare, traumatize, jeopardize is completely ok? I guess it could be done to your children also? Not by people who think like me, I can assure. Although I completely disagree with you and think you’re methods are disgusting, I really feel that children possibly related to you have nothing to do it and deserve to be treated with all respect. What I think make you people really morally and ethically despicable is that you don’t feel the same.
The act of torture, abuse and an opposing, self inflicted death to any living species is not only destructive to the planet, but destructive of civilization as a whole. Human civilization will thrive with co-operation and die with competition. Animals cannot defend themselves, they are a perfect catalyst for ones own personal aggression, confusion, and hatred, … “just take it out on something completely helpless.” Just imagine how unconscious a person has to be of his or her actions to torture, mutilate or brutalize ANY living thing. People claim that the needs of doing such a thing result in a positive action, but what is actually taking place is people are putting their dependencies into an external source that they has absolutely no control over whatsoever and in most cases know nothing about.
Another continual argument is that the actions of some animal activists is to aggressive in nature, yet the bloodshed caused from those actions is null, which is completely opposite in respect to what they are fighting for.. no more blood shed. Furthermore, when discussing vivisection, the actions being performed on the animals themselves during this type of “research” is nothing more than aggressive and violent acts of torture, mutilation, brutality and murder. So where does the greater evil lie, in the words of the activists or in the actions of the researchers?
We send man to the moon, yet we continue to find it necessary to put an animal in restraints, tear apart it’s skull, put it through agonizing pain, stress, torture and electroshock, remove it from it’s family, care little for it’s condition, and inevitable send it to an early agonizing death… and for what? If this research was so positive and so powerful in advancement why does it continue to be hidden? Surely if that be the case everyone would embrace and accept it as a whole.. but it’s not the case, it’s not the case at all.
I implore those that support vivisection and other forms of animal torture to stop looking for outside reasons to correspond with what they fear, and to start looking within themselves and identifying with their own demons, hates and fears. Within a short time it will become apparent that the demons you deny within yourself are the same in which you support through others, thus your justification becomes complete, and your denial holds strong.
Respectfully,
Burke Bryant
And having failed utterly to absorb/believe/pay attention to the numerous people on the last few posts to point out that this is an outdated, inaccurate and dishonest representation of animal research, you are now back to repeating the original outdated, inaccurate and dishonest representation of animal research and animal researchers. Why bother with reality, when you have such a fun passion play to get het up over?
Gawd. It *IS* like arguing with a young-earth creationist.
As regards vivesectors- No good comes from evil. They need to be expunged from the planet-shut the labs down forever-get the ghouls out of their dark gloaming corners and expose them to the light of day. The future will exonerate the AR activists and the people not yet born will look back at these times with horror that something like this was allowed for so long. These labs should have been put out of business a thousand yesterdays ago! What these vivisectors do to animals they would do to humans if they had absolute power over them. But the ghouls have limited power over humans. If they had the power they would be trolling through our neighborhoods for the stray human on moonless nights and carting them off to underground bunkers—Maybe they already do. Anyone who could look into the beautiful eyes of an animal and inflict pain and terror day after day year after year and then go home to have their dinner, watch a bit of TV and sleep well without having nightmares is a souless human capable of anything. It is these kinds of characters who have failed humanity not the vegans.
I am profoundly glad that I do not live in your world, and I am profoundly sorry for you, that you think that you do.
Rebecca, you are delusional. Do you really believe that scientists conducting animal research are doing it for fun? That they like torture, and they would be torturing people if they could? This is CRAZY. There’s no way someone can argue with something like this, is just nuts…
Luna- You do live in my world. There’s the pity.
Rebecca, hon, not even *you* live in the world you think you live in. This is kind of the definition of delusion.
i’m asking everyone to please sign and circulate this petition.
we’ll have a campaign out in a little while that will coincide with this.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/ucla-is-profiting-from-animal-torture
thanks, camille
Loona-
Rebecca Hon? I was kind of liking your phrase “efficacy beyond placebo” it has that je ne sais quoi about it…But Rebecca Hon? You are losing some steam Loona Toon.
If we are a-delusional and a-crazy why do you come here? Exalted minds should not want to associate with people who are not quite right. But the air is thick with you. Ah but yes- you are trying to keep us busy on the blog boards so we do not commit mayhem with the status quo. Doesn’t that admit that we may have some potency? Vegans will never agree with you no matter how eloquently spoken you can sometimes be. I am no scientist. I am a graphic artist- living in the hinter lands of Las Vegas nibbling on my vegan food. Minding my business until people like you bug me. Begone-you sniveling little undergrad science nerd.